TRANSCRIPT

MJ - Marlene Jamieson, interviewee; LW - Lavinia (Ann) Wilson, interviewee / LR - Lyn Royce, interviewer

MJ: From um...

LR: This is... this is from the... Is this from the, the black Masons' group?

LW: Yes.

MJ: Well, I guess. I think so.

LR: Think so?

LW: Mhmm

MJ: Mrs... Yeah. Mrs... Mrs...

LW: She doesn't have...

LR: This is wonderful...

LW: She has some up here...

MJ: It says coloured...

LW: ...but she doesn't have that one 'cause it has my brother in it. Yeah.

LR: That's wonderful...

MJ: She said, she said, she; um, Wilma, that's her name. She said she...

LW: Yeah, they all belonged.

LR: That's great!

MJ: ...she copied it. Copied it; yeah... She, it's, um...

LR: Oh! Look at this!

LW: I had my broth... my father's pin.

MJ: Do ya?

LW: Yeah

MJ: 'Cause I know my auntie, she said she stopped... I found the letter. She stopped; she belonged to something, don't ask me.

LR: 1920...

MJ: Excuse me. When they all died, everybody didn't know where they were anyway. So, um, she stopped going to meetings because...

LW: Mhmm

MJ: ...something...

LR: Right...

MJ: And then, um...

LW: Mhmm

MJ: In there, uh, my Grandmother; how would that be. So then my Grandfather, belonged; he was a Mason my mother said, and I'm just saying like who, who was it... Anyway, we got 18, there's 1871;

LR: Oh my gosh...

MJ: We got 1871 and we got 18 - Census - 1861 we got; yeah; but like I can't, I don't know who these people are, because I know Abraham and Bathsheba, but I can't, I don't know...

LW: Let me see...

MJ: ...who all the rest of them are... hode, hode, hode, hode, hodes [?] Oh, this thing is on and I'm babbling away...

LR: It's alright.

LW: Sometimes they list the children...

MJ: At the bottom, at the bottom...

LW: ...the children after them. Um...

MJ: Oh yeah, well there's 3 Abrahams. There's Abraham that came, escaped slavery; that's where my great grandfather, from Kentucky.

LR: Ah, okay...

MJ: From Kentucky, come up here, that's the story that I got.

LR: Do you...

MJ: End in Thorold Township.

LR: So, he came up here; did they, did he ever talk about it? Did you know him?

MJ: My great grandfather was... No...

LR: He was gone...

MJ: My mother, my grandmother married my... my fa... tsk! Grandfather! I don't know. She was around 17 or something, I think; he was in his 30s or 20s...

LR: Okay...

MJ: But I don't know, anyway...

LW: Okay...

MJ: I don't know if my father ever saw his... No! He didn't; because he died in 1887.

LR: Okay.

MJ: He didn't see him.

LR: Okay... Were there any stories about his journey?

MJ: Just that, no; no; oh, just that he laid [sic] in the field, what fields I don't know, for 3 days.

LR: Okay

MJ: I heard; and then he went back down and got his wife; but then I don't know if that's the way that went.

LW: Mhmm

MJ: This was the story.