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The Hiscock House: The Tale of an Entrepreneurial Woman




Hiriam: First of all Ms. Hiscock, would you mind telling us how old you are?

Florence: In my 93rd year.

Hiriam: That's a great age isn't it?

Florence: I suppose so.

Hiriam: And you're so well

Florence: That's right

Hiriam: And you're so active

Florence: That's right

Hiriam: You're fortunate

Florence: I suppose so.

Hiriam: It must be the Trinity upbringing?

Florence: I quite believe that

Hiriam: All the lovely fresh air and

Florence: That's right. Lots of fog and

Hiriam: Yes

Florence: And everything

Hiriam: And you worked hard?

Florence: Very. There's nothing like work to make one happy. Nothing.

Hiriam: You say nothing of being well off?

Florence: Well, that eh wasn't really in our minds. We had to work.

Hiriam: Yes, to survive in those days

Florence: That's right. We had to work.

Hiriam: So Ms. Hiscock you are of an old Trinity family from your father's side and your mother's side as well?

Florence: Yes.

Hiriam: Both were born there. Where do the Hiscock's come from?

Florence: eh, what

Hiriam: Your, your grandfather say? Your grandfather came from England?

Florence: Yes

Hiriam: And your mother was a Pittman?

Florence: Yes. Really, all the people even thelived in Trinity came from England

Hiriam: um-hum

Florence: Devon. Devonshire.

Hiriam: The Pittman's were an old Trinity family weren't they?

Florence: Yes

Hiriam: Older than your father's ah family coming over?

Florence: Well, ah, I really don't know.

Hiriam: Your mother lived to be quite an old lady didn't she?

Florence: No, she only lived to be 78

Hiriam: 78. haha

Florence: And that's not old

Hiriam: No. haha

Florence: She was only 78. We thought her very young.

Hiriam: Now you told me your father drowned when you were quite small

Florence: Umm, my father was canvassing for Sir Robert Bond in Clarenville and the boat tipped over and he was drowned at the age of 39

Hiriam: Wow.

Florence: He left a family of six children and one not born.

Hiriam: How did your mother survive? How did she keep the family together?

Florence: Her spirit and willpower. She had plenty of that.

Hiriam: Lots of hard work

Florence: And lots of hard work. She.. Sir Robert made her postmistress shortly after Pop's death

Hiriam: Yes

Florence: And from that on she kept us all together, and of course we worked for her

Hiriam: She had a boarding house you say?

Florence: Yeah, we had two boarders

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: We had a store and animals, and when the cabins came to Trinity we served meals. They would let us know how many they would want dinner for and we would have it for them.

Hiriam: How much would a meal cost then Ms. Hiscock?

Florence: Ahh, first when we started it was about a dollar twenty-five.

Hiriam: For a meal?

Florence: For a dinner. Then

Hiriam: I bet it was a dinner too wasn't it?

Florence: Yes, it was a dinner because they all thought that we didn't charge enough. Such a beautiful dinner.

Hiriam: How long ago was that?

Florence: Oh, my mother died of thirty-six. It was after that.

Hiriam: She died in 1936?

Florence: Yes. Perhaps about a couple of years after that.

Hiriam: Yup

Florence: When the cabins came to Trinity.

Hiriam: So the people would come down for their meal?

Florence: Mr. Bart...Mr. Morris would let us know how many would be out for dinner.

Hiriam: That in itself was a lot of work wasn't it?

Florence: Yes. It was a lot of work

Hiriam: I suppose you had all ah your own produce didn't you?

Florence: Yes.

Hiriam: Potatoes, and

Florence: Everything

Hiriam: Yeah

Florence: If not, we'd get it.

Hiriam: Your fresh milk?

Florence: Yes. Lots of milk

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: Lots of cream. Fresh butter

Hiriam: Trinity had a good social life didn't it?

Florence: Oh, lovely social life

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: People today don't know what a social life is.

Hiriam: What was that strawberry fair they use to have?

Florence: I really don't know.

Hiriam: Well it was a summer thing they, they'd have a gar..oh..the garden party I'm thinking of

Florence: Oh the garden party?

Hiriam: Yes

Florence: Yes, they had that in a place called Penguin Cove that my Grandmother owned

Hiriam: Penguin Cove?

Florence: Penguin Cove.

Hiriam: Where was that now? I mean

Florence: In by the Station. But, it'sgone now because when my Grandmother died, she left it to her four daughters

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: Mrs. Gent, Mrs. Eriksen, and Mrs. Mews and my mother.

Hiriam: Why would they have it in there rather than in town?

Florence: It's the nicest place. Gun Hill was too high up.

Hiriam: Uh-hum. So what would you bring your food in there?

Florence: Yes. Garden party

Hiriam: Yup. Would they have games and things?

Florence: And everything. All games

Hiriam: Remember

Florence: Oh yes, I remember. All my thoughts are in Trinity

Hiriam: I suppose the people would come from all around the different surrounding facilities?

Florence: Not so many from outsiders. Mostly from Trinity the garden party

Hiriam: And there were enough people then in Trinity to have a good garden party

Florence: A good garden party. T'was lovely

Hiriam: It must be sad for you to see the decline in Trinity though?

Florence: Well I think so much about Trinity I don't see that. You understand what I mean?

Hiriam: Yes, uh-hum.

Florence: Trinity is Trinity to me

Hiriam: Because it was so important wasn't it?

Florence: That's right

Hiriam: In the 19th century?

Florence: And I grew up there

Hiriam: Yeah.

Florence: And the people that are there they remember me when I go back. They all remember me. Those people that used to come to my store.

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: Shop then

Hiriam: Yes. You and your sister kept that shop?

Florence: Yes

Hiriam: And didn't you have the Post Office in your house?

Florence: Yes. We had the Post Office. My mother did.

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: My mother had the Post Office in her house and we had the bank. Post Office one end and the bank the other. And the shop was in the middle

Hiriam: So it was a busy part of the town wasn't it?

Florence: Very busy. Busy part. Then my mother was retired and my sister took the Post Office. And then I was home alone and my brother came home for holiday and found it was a little bit too hard work so

Hiriam: He worked in the Post Office?

Florence: He paid my sister to come home with me. He gave her the cheque she was earning

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: from the Government to come home with me and we both worked together, after that

Hiriam: Your brother died at 90?

Florence: 4

Hiriam: at 94?

Florence: At the towers

Hiriam: Here in ah St. John's?

Florence: We lived 5 years at the towers

Hiriam: Uh-hum. And your sister died recently?

Florence: Umm, 3 years

Hiriam: 3 years?

Florence: In January.

Hiriam: And she was in her 8?

Florence: 91st

Hiriam: 91st year?

Florence: Yes

Hiriam: So you are a long lived family aren't you?

Florence: Long lived family

Hiriam: But you say your father drowned when he was thirty?

Florence: 39 and my mother was a widow at 34

Hiriam: That's sad

Florence: That's sad isn't it?

Hiriam: Yes, indeed.

Florence: It was as we got old enough, my brother was a captain, my ah brother came to St John's here at the Post Office and worked up to be inspector and my ah other brother was umm Assistant Manager with Goodyear and House in Corner Brook. One sister got married and two stayed home

Hiriam: So you had a good education in Trinity?

Florence: Well we came here to St. John's to Spencer because the Mason's educated us. My father was a Mason. So we came here for a couple of years after we left Trinity. Trinity had as good a school as...because the teacher that was at Trinity came up to Spencer and taught me at Spencer. So you see we had a good school in Trinity.

Hiriam: I knew you had a good school, yes.

Florence: Yes, we had a good school.

Hiriam: What's the school used for now? That's been closed

Florence: Oh that was a store. It's all closed

Hiriam: The one on the hill isn't it?

Florence: There isn't a school in Trinity now. It's at Port Rexton.

Hiriam: Who would ever think that eh?

Florence: Yes, who would ever think that.

Hiriam: You have a magnificent church in Trinity

Florence: Oh, we have the best church in the world I think.

Hiriam: It is a beautiful church.

Florence: Beautiful, the beautiful font

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: And pulpit, reading desk, communion table

Hiriam: Everything is of such good taste there isn't it?

Florence: Yes, and it holds

Hiriam: completely appointed

Florence: about 600 people

Hiriam: Is that right?

Florence: And I've seen it filled. Yes. I've seen it filled

Hiriam: That's the 3rd church eh St. Paul's church on that site is it?

Florence: That's the 3rd.

Hiriam: 3rd one yes.

Florence: I was christened in the Mortuary Chapel because the church wasn't finished.

Hiriam: That's the one out near the cemetery isn't it?

Florence: That's right

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: That's where I was christened.

Hiriam: Mrs. Hiscock, the eh the hymn "We Love the Place O God" was written at Trinity wasn't it?

Florence: Yes.

Hiriam: What

Florence: 1827, by the Rev. Bullock. Especially for the consecration of the 2nd Church of England, eh

Hiriam: Your great grandmother

Florence: My great grandmother sang the hymn in the choir of the church from the original script written by Rev. Bullock.

Hiriam: Isn't that something eh that's a very popular hymn isn't it?

Florence: Yes, and I wanted to get it right particularly for you. I couldn't quite remember the date, but.

Hiriam: Your great grandmother

Florence: Yes, that's right. That's worth knowing isn't it?

Hiriam: Certainly is. When you sing that hymn now I suppose it all comes back to you?

Florence: Well. Takes me back to Trinity but of course I wasn't around

Hiriam: No, hardly, 1827

Florence: haha No

Hiriam: You were lucky in the parish you had great men there didn't you

Florence: We had a lot of clergymen in Trinity

Hiriam: Rev. Clinch?

Florence: Yes, he was there

Hiriam: He was a missionary, a clergyman as well as a doctor, a medical doctor

Florence: Yes he was. Ya know he was a vac a

Hiriam: He was the first to use the vaccination of SmallPox

Florence: That's right. On his nephew

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: He ran the risk of that boy dying

Hiriam: Wow

Florence: But he survived.

Hiriam: So that's a historic church isn't it?

Florence: Oh yes, it's a beautiful church. Beautiful church

Hiriam: I remember seeing a water color in your house that eh of that church

Florence: I probably

Hiriam: I wonder who painted that? Do you have any idea?

Florence: No. Funny thing ya know when you grow up don't ask the questions that you should ask

Hiriam: Your mother's sister, Mrs. Gent, had quite a lovely home didn't she?

Florence: Yes and she used to paint and my eh niece paints. She's in Grand Falls

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: Joyce

Hiriam: So, it could have been your grandmother's eh sister, Mrs. Gent's

Florence: That's right

Hiriam: Painting?

Florence: Painted quite a lot

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: Yes, she could have painted it.

Hiriam: I remember someone saying that she had the most beautiful antiques that they'd ever seen anywhere

Florence: Yes, she had lovely antiques

Hiriam: Who were the Gents'?

Florence: They came from Perlican.

Hiriam: Mmm, an old merchant family?

Florence: Ah, I would expect so

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: No, the Gentsthat was the Bannister's. Uncle George's sister came from Perlican. The Gents came from Trinity. Came from Trinity.

Hiriam: Did they? Yes. I remember your house too. You had a lot of lovely antiques.

Florence: Oh yes. We had lovely lot of antiques.

Hiriam: Beautiful things.

Florence: Didn't really know we had so many until

Hiriam: You had lovely books, you had lovely furniture

Florence: Oh yes, we had a lot of books. Our house was filled with books.

Hiriam: Your house has been sold to the Historic Trust hasn't it?

Florence: Yes.

Hiriam: And did you sell the contents as well or just?

Florence: Well, not all to the Historic Trust. Mr. O'Dea bought some.

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: And we gave my cousins some valuable things, such as the little organ my mother learned her notes on and we all learned our notes on

Hiriam: Where did eh, where did your mother get all those things? Was it handed down in your families?

Florence: Oh yes from the Hiscock's. I have some beautiful things from the Hiscock's. You see that silver bowl over there?

Hiriam: Yes, that's beautiful

Florence: I mean the little bowl

Hiriam: This one?

Florence: Yes.

Hiriam: Yes, that is lovely.

Florence: That, my Aunt Mary, Pop's sister, was married to a clergyman in the states and they presented her with that from the Trinity church.

Hiriam: Made in 94? 95, it is yes.

Florence: Yes, 1895

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: It's written on it.

Hiriam: From Trinity church. Where?

Florence: Umm, New York

Hiriam: In New York?

Florence: That's right

Hiriam: Uh-hum. That's a lovely one.

Florence: She married a clergyman, Rev. Guilham

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: See I only had two aunts on the Hiscock side. And the other married a Coffin who taught at the model school, Augustus Coffin

Hiriam: Who lived in at Trinity the yellow stone house

Florence: Oh yes, Spender's old house

Hiriam: You've been in that have you?

Florence: Oh yes, I was in it when the McGrath's lived there

Hiriam: That was a gracious house wasn't it?

Florence: Oh, beautiful staircase

Hiriam: Should never have been torn down?

Florence: No, it should never have been but and I asked why it was torn down and they said the Government didn't have the money to restore it to keep it up and it was a fire trap

Hiriam: What a pity

Florence: Pity. Pity. All that beautiful brick

Hiriam: Mmm

Florence: It was a brick house.

Hiriam: Was it furnished when you ah use to go there?

Florence: Yes, by the people that lived there.

Hiriam: Who built it originally? Do you remember?

Florence: Oh, I really don't know.

Hiriam: But built in seventeen something I know. In the seventeen sixties I believe

Florence: I don't know. Can't go back that far

Hiriam: haha

Florence: haha

Hiriam: Did you ever go there as a girl to have parties there?

Florence: No, my mother did.

Hiriam: Your mother, yeah

Florence: My mother and grandmother went there for parties. Lovely parties. I can hear them telling us now. You ah you remember Mr. and Mrs. Herrington? The Methodist College?

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: Lived with us for a couple of summers. So she brought her tatting and my mother did tatting so they were invited over to Ada Green's grandmother. To afternoon tea, and they took their tatting. So, when they were gone we made up our minds to learn tatting. So that's how I learned.

Hiriam: And you're still tatting?

Florence: And um I spent two beautiful holidays with Mrs. Herrington. Two lovely holidays. They both retired then and went to England to live.

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: Had two sons. One, Jack, was a doctor and Dick was a farmer and she corresponded with me. Sending me embroidering books until her death. That's really who taught me to do this craft.

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: We made it but... my sister really taught me because she had more patience and she got it into my head. But it's a great help to me here now

Hiriam: Oh I guess it is

Florence: It would be very lonely not knowing how to do

Hiriam: Yes

Florence: Those things. And we knew Sir Robert Bond quite well. I can see him now in our house and you know when he'd preach, not preach, but speak

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: Politics. They were great politicians.

Hiriam: They are statesman not politicians, weren't they? haha

Florence: haha. Well they were great. I used to enjoy listening to them. I even did in my latter years of my life. My brother was a politician

Hiriam: Was he? Uh-hum.

Florence: He was a very able man too

Hiriam: Trinity was conservative was it?

Florence: Yes.

Hiriam: Yes.

Florence: Yes.

Hiriam: Do you remember when the eh politicians would come around

Florence: Yes, I remember Sir Robert and Mr. Gushue

Hiriam: Would they shoot off the guns?

Florence: Ahh, probably if they were determined they would. It would be nearly darkness when if Sir Robert was returned.

Hiriam: I remember seeing a picture of the Garland Hotel in Trinity down by the wharf

Florence: Oh yes

Hiriam: With a great arch. And I think the Governor General was in there

Florence: Oh my

Hiriam: The Governor General of Canada

Florence: Governor yeah oh that's right. I forget his name

Hiriam: The Duke of Coughnought

Florence: I had a postcard of that.

Hiriam: Queen Victoria's son was visiting

Florence: Yes. And we also had a lovely picture of the Governor that came from Trinity. If you mentioned them up, I'd remember it. Oh its beautiful archway. We had lovely arches for the Government. For the governors

Hiriam: Yes

Florence: When they come

Hiriam: So you had that hotel...the Garland Hotel...that was a

Florence: That was the Garland Hotel. Mrs. Jenkins was a very nice person too. Used to run the hotel

Hiriam: That was a big hotel wasn't it?

Florence: That was a good hotel

Hiriam: A lot of people from St. John's would spend

Florence: Always

Hiriam: Their holidays there

Florence: Would come there for the summer. It was perfect really.

Hiriam: That branch train you had from St. John's to Trinity and on to Bonavista

Florence: Trinity...Trinity didn't want the branch train to come out because would...we didn't like the smoke

Hiriam: haha Is that the reason it didn't come through the town? haha

Florence: haha Oh, I didn't know the reason behind it

Hiriam: That must have made a great difference to Trinity

Florence: Yes

Hiriam: the commerce and

Florence: That's right

Hiriam: And social life. You get a lot of visitors from St. John's

Florence: That's right

Hiriam: And other places

Florence: Yes. Now you see everything is paved right to St. John's. The roads are beautiful now. And electric light everywhere.

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: But, you're no happier with those things. Makes life easy

Hiriam: I remember your little shop you had. You had something of everything there didn't you?

Florence: Something of everything.

Hiriam: Did you make your own ice cream?

Florence: Yes, we made our own ice cream

Hiriam: Your own cows and

Florence: Our own cows and our own cream and ice cream

Hiriam: That's a lot of work isn't it?

Florence: It was a lot of work

Hiriam: How many cows did your sister have at one time you told me?

Florence: My sister had 5 one winter. And she happened to have me not very well for a short while. It wasn't very long and I got better.

Hiriam: Uh-hum. So you had eh I spose pigs and

Florence: We had one pig

Hiriam: One pig?

Florence: and that was ah and that was kind of a pet

Hiriam: mmm

Florence: But we had to kill it

Hiriam: haha

Florence: We had to kill it. We didn't want to but we did and we had lovely fresh pork. Ha...we made our own ham

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: And bacon. Come on, there was no true verbs I don't think around did what my sister. My sister is a wonderful worker

Hiriam: And your sister lived till her, her 91st year?

Florence: Birthday

Hiriam: Wow.

Florence: She's a wonderful worker too

Hiriam: And you were ninety?

Florence: haha I'm going into my 93rd that's all

Hiriam: So hard work didn't?

Florence: Oh no, hard work

Hiriam: Do much harm did it?

Florence: Really, anyone that works, their happy and it eh adds life. Adds to life

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: Yeah. No work doesn't hurt anyone. We were very happy doing what we did in Trinity. I can, I can look back with having a lovely life, but plenty of hard work. Plenty of hard work.

Hiriam: You told me when you eh lived here in St. John's at one time you were a neighbor of Georgina Sterling's, the Opera singer?

Florence: I remember her living about two doors down from me. That was when we were here going to school.

Hiriam: You remember seeing her? Of course you would

Florence: Yes, I can see her now.

Hiriam: Big or small or?

Florence: Yes, tall

Hiriam: mmm

Florence: Tall, big woman

Hiriam: Sometimes tipsy you would say?

Florence: Well, I'd only hear that

Hiriam: haha You didn't hear her sing did ya?

Florence: No, I don't think I did.

Hiriam: You must have known some colorful people in your long life?

Florence: I have. We mixed with nice people in Trinity

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: My, how different the world is today.

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: You see how particular my aunts were. Told me that I was doing very, very rude to tap to anyone and now we were brought up like that all through our life

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: If we sat to the table, we had to stay to the table until everyone was finished. Life is not like that today is it? Oh, I had a nice life, I had a nice life. I had nice aunts

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: And I had a wonderful mother, a wonderful mother

Hiriam: The only blemish in your life was losing your father so, so young eh?

Florence: Well, I didn't remember him, I was only a year old

Hiriam: No, of course

Florence: Just a year

Hiriam: Yup

Florence: My brother was born after

Hiriam: So that house was built for your, for your mother was it? For his wife?

Florence: Ah, yes, she went there as a bride. Twasn't quite finished then. But we went and lived for a short while in a smaller
home and the rent she got she finished our home and we went back there and lived again

Hiriam: I think it's sad though when you go to Trinity and see the old homes being torn down

Florence: Yes

Hiriam: Such beautiful houses

Florence: Yes. Walter White's is still there

Hiriam: Yes. Former Garland Hotel is still lovelythe one on the hill there belonging to

Florence: Fowlow's

Hiriam: Fowlow's. What a magnificent house that was

Florence: Yup. But that's not an old house

Hiriam: No, it's soit's so beautifully situated isn't it?

Florence: It's lovely up on the hill

Hiriam: Overlooking everything

Florence: Lovely

Hiriam: What about the old rectory? Can you remember that at all?

Florence: Oh, I can remember the rectory. We had, we had rec eh rectory right by our house

Hiriam: I don't mean that one I mean the one

Florence: They should have never taken down that rectory and built it in around the road

Hiriam: On, eh the back of where you lived, where old Dr. Clinch lived?

Florence: Oh yes, I can remember that

Hiriam: Can you?

Florence: Quite well

Hiriam: Big house?

Florence: Yes, yeah, I remember it up on the hill. What a house they built Mom and pop built

Hiriam: How many bedrooms in your house?

Florence: Eh, there was umm one, two, three, four bedrooms on the second floor and four beautiful rooms in the attic. And four on the first floor

Hiriam: Course there was

Florence: We had 12 rooms and then we had the bathroom and up the shop

Hiriam: And it was a good thing because your mother needed that didn't she for keeping the

Florence: Yes

Hiriam: eh, boarders and people who would come there

Florence: Yes, yeah, that's right, yeah, yes. That's a good thing that we had it.

Hiriam: Yes, how did you keep the ah, the place warm? Such a huge house

Florence: Will we had an oil stove

Hiriam: Yeah

Florence: And we had hard coal then. You remember hard coal? Not hard coal. We had a dining room fire always, with the not hard coal, and the hall fire and then we'd have a grate in the dining room with plenty of salt coal

Hiriam: Have you seen your house since you sold it?

Florence: Only I was down there last summer.

Hiriam: How did you feel when you went through it?

Florence: I was delighted to think that it was sold to the Historical because eh there's no one going to buy it from us. So, it'll always be kept up

Hiriam: You must have had mixed feelings though going into the rooms?

Florence: Well, it was very hard. My sister was very sick when I had to clear out the house

Hiriam: Uh-hum

Florence: And it was very hard then but I had to do it

Hiriam: Oh yes

Florence: And probably, probably in having to do it helped me a lot. I didn't have time to think

Hiriam: Through the difficult time

Florence: I didn't have time to think. My sister wasn't able to walk, and I just had...and all she'd say to me was whatever you like Floss. You see she was too sick to give me a decision

Hiriam: Uh-hum So you had to make all the decisions?

Florence: I had to make it all. When she died you know I didn't trouble about anything while we were alive I was one of those

Hiriam: Mmm

Florence: As long as my sister and brother was there

Hiriam: Mmm

Florence: And I couldn't ask her anything when she was sick, I had a hard time

Hiriam: Yeah

Florence: Trying to know how to do and, and look at the bankbook and everything

Hiriam: Yes

Florence: To see that everything

Hiriam: Yes

Florence: Was going alright

Hiriam: Uh-hum So, you think that was a good decision?

Florence: ???? To know, how to do and look at the bankbook and everything

Hiriam: Yes

Florence: To see that everything was going alright

Hiriam: Yes, uh-hum. So you think it was a good decision, selling it to the Historic Trust?

Florence: Oh yes, we were delighted. No one would buy such a big home

Hiriam: No. No, it wouldn't be practical would it?

Florence: No. No.

Hiriam: Nobody builds house like, like that anymore

Florence: No, and it's beautiful

Hiriam: Oh yes.

Florence: My brother use to say what a lovely home. You know the umm the beams

Hiriam: Yup. It was beautifully built

Florence: And a beautiful staircase. The staircase went from the front door right up to the attic

Hiriam: Local craftsman built that?

Florence: yes

Hiriam: mmm

Florence: Yeah. Floss Grant' father was one

Hiriam: Well Mrs. Hiscock thank you very much


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